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		<title>By: subversivechurch</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>subversivechurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los,

It&#039;s not that people gathering together singing songs is a bad thing.  And neither are people who can lead other people in group settings.  It&#039;s that the word authentic comes across as exclusionary; as if the only authentic form of worship is there, at your church, or if taken on a wider scale, in a church building.

Maybe it isn&#039;t meant that way, and chances are pretty good it isn&#039;t.  However the word authentic has far more connotations than denotations in our society.

I have to admit a good friend of mine is a &#039;worship leader&#039; and we have this conversation all the time.  There are many ways to worship, but the church has put such a stranglehold on the term that if you were to ask the average joe at church what &#039;worship&#039; is, it would invariably be &#039;singing in church&#039;.  If pressed I&#039;m sure you would get deeper answers, but off the cuff I&#039;m not so sure.

If that is the case, which I believe to be in your favor, then is there a need to use the word authentic?


-mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that people gathering together singing songs is a bad thing.  And neither are people who can lead other people in group settings.  It&#8217;s that the word authentic comes across as exclusionary; as if the only authentic form of worship is there, at your church, or if taken on a wider scale, in a church building.</p>
<p>Maybe it isn&#8217;t meant that way, and chances are pretty good it isn&#8217;t.  However the word authentic has far more connotations than denotations in our society.</p>
<p>I have to admit a good friend of mine is a &#8216;worship leader&#8217; and we have this conversation all the time.  There are many ways to worship, but the church has put such a stranglehold on the term that if you were to ask the average joe at church what &#8216;worship&#8217; is, it would invariably be &#8217;singing in church&#8217;.  If pressed I&#8217;m sure you would get deeper answers, but off the cuff I&#8217;m not so sure.</p>
<p>If that is the case, which I believe to be in your favor, then is there a need to use the word authentic?</p>
<p>-mike</p>
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		<title>By: Los</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Los</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And all in unison...
dissecting Carlos&#039; about page makes us all feel better about how we are living out our faith.

Good words on here.  I agree with them all.
AND still believe that God can and will use people to bring others into an authentic worship experience.

But alas.
I wither.
;)
Los</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And all in unison&#8230;<br />
dissecting Carlos&#8217; about page makes us all feel better about how we are living out our faith.</p>
<p>Good words on here.  I agree with them all.<br />
AND still believe that God can and will use people to bring others into an authentic worship experience.</p>
<p>But alas.<br />
I wither.<br />
 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Los</p>
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		<title>By: Hidden In Christ</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Hidden In Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good insight...and I agree - the church is thirsting - all the while standing in the midst of the &quot;river of living water&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good insight&#8230;and I agree &#8211; the church is thirsting &#8211; all the while standing in the midst of the &#8220;river of living water&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ded</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>ded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at worship in the NT, it usually is service in action. Romans 12:1-2 for example. Not heaping upon ourselves a glorious, exultant, soul-stirring song repeatedly chorused about God blessing us with fog machines making the light show up as beams.

God deserves our praise and gratitude for the wonder of His blessing. Is He impressed by our staging?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at worship in the NT, it usually is service in action. Romans 12:1-2 for example. Not heaping upon ourselves a glorious, exultant, soul-stirring song repeatedly chorused about God blessing us with fog machines making the light show up as beams.</p>
<p>God deserves our praise and gratitude for the wonder of His blessing. Is He impressed by our staging?</p>
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		<title>By: amoslanka</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>amoslanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yeah, and i just read throught the comments here:

&quot;Los talks about ‘bringing the body of Christ into an authentic worship experience’ on his ‘about’ page. What is that, exactly? Cannot, and in fact, does not, worship happen everywhere and anywhere? If I marvel at the amount of greenery in a WV forest, is that not authentic worship? Or does it need to have some sort of rehearsed soundtrack with a lightshow? Seriously? Authentic? It is terms like these that hijack meaningful experiences away from the common believer and keeps them inside the four walls. What defines authentic? Do the mega-churches have to defend what they do with terms like authentic?&quot;

Amen, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah, and i just read throught the comments here:</p>
<p>&#8220;Los talks about ‘bringing the body of Christ into an authentic worship experience’ on his ‘about’ page. What is that, exactly? Cannot, and in fact, does not, worship happen everywhere and anywhere? If I marvel at the amount of greenery in a WV forest, is that not authentic worship? Or does it need to have some sort of rehearsed soundtrack with a lightshow? Seriously? Authentic? It is terms like these that hijack meaningful experiences away from the common believer and keeps them inside the four walls. What defines authentic? Do the mega-churches have to defend what they do with terms like authentic?&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: amoslanka</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>amoslanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts in this post, Mike. I couldn&#039;t agree more. I could launch into a ton of different thoughts about stagnant communities and the un-love that they tend to brood as subcultures of an already degraded affluence culture, but I&#039;ll save it for a more fully explained post when i have time to write about it. Your words and the bubble analogy are great illustration for the issue though. Thanks very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts in this post, Mike. I couldn&#8217;t agree more. I could launch into a ton of different thoughts about stagnant communities and the un-love that they tend to brood as subcultures of an already degraded affluence culture, but I&#8217;ll save it for a more fully explained post when i have time to write about it. Your words and the bubble analogy are great illustration for the issue though. Thanks very much.</p>
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		<title>By: subversivechurch</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>subversivechurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the comments on Carlos&#039; blog.  Good job mike (and jordan too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the comments on Carlos&#8217; blog.  Good job mike (and jordan too).</p>
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		<title>By: subversivechurch</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>subversivechurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I think I was being kind in my comment.

-mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I think I was being kind in my comment.</p>
<p>-mike</p>
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		<title>By: subversivechurch</title>
		<link>http://subversivechurch.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/in-stasis/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>subversivechurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Jordan, you did cause quite a stir over there.  I read through the comments and it seems there was a mix of opinions, which was refreshing.

A couple of thoughts:

I was saddened to see the title &#039;main communicator&#039; being bantered about.  Wow, a main communicator?  Is that mega-church-speak for &#039;pastor who doesn&#039;t know a single person in the audience&#039;?

For the most part, that type of post is old hat for me.  I have had roughly the same conversation many times with a friend who works at an aspiring mega-church.  Here in WV though, it is hard to find a population dense enough to make it &#039;mega&#039;.  There is only one in the state, in Morgantown, if you say that over 2K is mega.  Apparently there needs to be size designations.  

Los talks about &#039;bringing the body of Christ into an authentic worship experience&#039; on his &#039;about&#039; page.  What is that, exactly?  Cannot, and in fact, does not, worship happen everywhere and anywhere?  If I marvel at the amount of greenery in a WV forest, is that not authentic worship?  Or does it need to have some sort of rehearsed soundtrack with a lightshow? Seriously?  Authentic?  It is terms like these that hijack meaningful experiences away from the common believer and keeps them inside the four walls.  What defines authentic?  Do the mega-churches have to defend what they do with terms like authentic?

Authentic. Real. Relationships. Relevant. Any other buzz words I missed?

-mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Jordan, you did cause quite a stir over there.  I read through the comments and it seems there was a mix of opinions, which was refreshing.</p>
<p>A couple of thoughts:</p>
<p>I was saddened to see the title &#8216;main communicator&#8217; being bantered about.  Wow, a main communicator?  Is that mega-church-speak for &#8216;pastor who doesn&#8217;t know a single person in the audience&#8217;?</p>
<p>For the most part, that type of post is old hat for me.  I have had roughly the same conversation many times with a friend who works at an aspiring mega-church.  Here in WV though, it is hard to find a population dense enough to make it &#8216;mega&#8217;.  There is only one in the state, in Morgantown, if you say that over 2K is mega.  Apparently there needs to be size designations.  </p>
<p>Los talks about &#8216;bringing the body of Christ into an authentic worship experience&#8217; on his &#8216;about&#8217; page.  What is that, exactly?  Cannot, and in fact, does not, worship happen everywhere and anywhere?  If I marvel at the amount of greenery in a WV forest, is that not authentic worship?  Or does it need to have some sort of rehearsed soundtrack with a lightshow? Seriously?  Authentic?  It is terms like these that hijack meaningful experiences away from the common believer and keeps them inside the four walls.  What defines authentic?  Do the mega-churches have to defend what they do with terms like authentic?</p>
<p>Authentic. Real. Relationships. Relevant. Any other buzz words I missed?</p>
<p>-mike</p>
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